My first throw was a medIum intensity BH, which meat hooked hyzer into the ground. Adjusting accordingly, I had to spin it up faster, and I’m getting better throws, but it’s still more stable for now than I expected at -2. This is the best constructed, best plastic feel disc that I own at this point. I’ll be back to G3T and MVP/Axiom. I can’t say enough for the option to throw lighter weights with the fission plastic for older arms. Not going to be a windy day tool, but when the conditions are right this is just spot on.